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Re: Controversia-Vacunas

el Lun Jun 06, 2011 2:57 pm
Los beneficios de la vacunacion estan sobre toda duda y sospecha, realmente aquellos que estan en contra tienen problemas de indole mental por que las evidencias demuestran lo contrario por si mismas , hay que buscar en pubmed no en revistas como muy interesante o sitios web de aficionados
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Re: Controversia-Vacunas

el Lun Jun 06, 2011 11:05 pm



Dr. haga honor a su sobre nombre y tambien aporte lo contrario no solo critique algo obvio. Le invito a que ponga los articulos de donde sale acerca de todos los compuestos que existen en las vacunas. Las vacunas combinadas tienen varios compuestos y no solo el mercurio y aluminio. Los articulos que se han puesto es acerda de medicos que tienen los medios y han investigado por su propia cuenta y han retado a segun expertos de esta area a dialogar en vivo. Hasta el momento los expertos se han negado y tampoco han enviado lo que se les pide. Los resultados de sus investigaciones acerca de como cada compuesto puede afectar o beneficiar el sistema nervioso central y periferico. Dr. espero que sus comentarios son en base a todo lo que ha leido he investigado y no solo este imitando a un adscrito u otro medico.

The FDA definition of safety (FDA Code of Federal Regulation. 21 CFR 600.), which is "relative freedom from harmful effect to persons affected directly or indirectly by a product when prudently administered, taking into consideration the character of the product in relation to the condition of the recipient at the time." Which can mean all things to all people depending on what they want to explain away.

"There have never been any safety studies done for any vaccine in use today that would meet the criteria of scientific proof. All we have are epidemiologic studies, which are indicators but not proof in and of themselves." [Oct 2004] Letter to the British Medical Journal by Harold E Buttram, MD,

"Longest safety trial of of the triple vaccine (MMR, all live attenuated viruses) was three weeks."--Dr Fudenburg MD

JABS has not been able to find any properly conducted trials where the safety of the vaccines has been monitored for more than a few weeks.


Unos de los varios compuestos en las vacunas y que se consideran toxicos en el cuerpo humano: MSG (Monosodium glutamate), thimerosal y aluminio.


Curr Med Chem. 2011 May 16. [Epub ahead of

Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants: Are they Safe?
Tomljenovic L, Shaw CA.
Abstract
Aluminum is an experimentally demonstrated neurotoxin and the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant. Despite almost 90 years of widespread use of aluminum adjuvants, medical science's understanding about their mechanisms of action is still remarkably poor. There is also a concerning scarcity of data on toxicology and pharmacokinetics of these compounds. In spite of this, the notion that aluminum in vaccines is safe appears to be widely accepted. Experimental research, however, clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans. In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences. In our opinion, the possibility that vaccine benefits may have been overrated and the risk of potential adverse effects underestimated, has not been rigorously evaluated in the medical and scientific community. We hope that the present paper will provide a framework for a much needed and long overdue assessment of this highly contentious medical issue.

PMID: 21568886 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

Hoy en dia que las vacunas sean mas seguras con el simple hecho de quitarle el mercurio y aluminio los cuales estan en niveles muy alto y que ambos han mostrado da~os en el sistema nerviosos central. Los niveles que se han encontrado estan muy por encima que la Environmental Protection Agency o E.P.A. considera como toxicos en el cuerpo humano.

Uno como medico esta para escuchar y cuando muchas preguntas salen acerca de un tema, mejor investigar y no sentirse como un dios y tachar a la gente de como enfermo mental o que se hace. Una P.H. 8 de 10 veces no es una P.H.! Como medicos es nuestra obligacion capacitarnos e informanos de todo lo que podamos acerca de nuestra especialidad y de la medicina en general. Hoy en dia uno como medico, uno tiene que estar mas informado que un paciente que se mete a google o medscape o similar e investiga y se autodiagnostica. Algunos solo van con uno para recibir el medicamento o solo confirmar sus sospechas.

Este tema de las vacunas ya lleva tiempo y la contreversia sigue y hoy en dia ningun experto o representante de la FDA o CDC se ha atrevido a decir lo contrario ante un panel de inverstigadores independientes que piden que las vacunas sean mas seguras.

Recuerde que en muchas ocaciones se considera como seguro y se abusa de esta palabra, todo aquello que su beneficio sea mas que los riesgos mas no que sea segura o no cause da~os secundarios adversos o la muerte.

Dr. recuerda el Rofecoxib?


Buen dia!!
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Re: Controversia-Vacunas

el Miér Jun 15, 2011 5:29 pm
La medicina Alopata no es la verdad absoluta ni la ciencia absoluta. Es solo eso, una de las medicinas mas en este mundo para mantener la salud en la comunidad.


In an accompanying editorial, Dr. Harry Greenberg of Stanford University concludes that the benefits of rotaviral vaccination in developing countries far outweighs the risk of intussusception, and that ongoing efforts to vaccinate these children should continue. This conclusion is in keeping with current recommendations of the World Health Organization (WHO). This study may bolster the efforts of the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunizations (GAVI), who received US$4.3 billion in donor pledges earlier this week to order to scale-up immunization programs between 2011 and 2015.

“Just like anything else in life, vaccines come with risks and benefits,” says infectious disease specialist and NEJM deputy editor Dr. Lindsey Baden, “This report provides a better estimate of intussusception risk, and helps us understand this risk in the context of the clear benefits that this vaccine provides to children in the developing world.”


http://blogs.nejm.org/now/index.php/rotavirus-vaccination-mortality-benefit-and-intussusception-risk/2011/06/15/

Rotavirus Vaccination: Mortality Benefit and Intussusception Risk
Posted by John Staples • June 15th, 2011
What ferocious creature is responsible for over half a million deaths annually among children under five? It isn’t lions, or killer bees, or Rottweilers gone rabid: It’s rotavirus. This villainous pathogen is the most common cause of severe diarrhea among infants and young children worldwide, resulting in hundreds of thousands of childhood deaths in the developing world each and every year.

In 1999, the first rotavirus vaccine licensed for use in the United States was withdrawn from the market after it was reported to result in a 1 in 10,000 risk of intussusception in the ten days following initial vaccination. Since then, two second-generation rotavirus vaccines have come into extensive use worldwide, resulting in a substantial reduction in rotavirus mortality. But what about intussusception risk? And does a complete understanding of the risks and benefits still favor their use?

In this week’s edition of NEJM, a group of investigators from Mexico, Brazil, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta seek to answer exactly these questions in a report on post-licensure surveillance of one of the second-generation rotavirus vaccines. At 69 hospitals in Mexico and Brazil, active surveillance was used to identify 615 children with intussusception, matching them with 2048 neighborhood control children of the same age and gender. In Mexico, the risk of intussusception in the week following initial vaccination was increased five-fold using both self-controlled case-series and case-control methods. In Brazil, no such risk was apparent after initial vaccination, although a smaller risk was identified in the days following administration of the second dose of vaccine. The annual incidence of intussusception with the second-generation vaccine was estimated to be less than a fifth of that associated with the first-generation RotashieldTM vaccine. The authors estimate that rotavirus vaccination caused about 96 intussusceptions annually in both countries combined, but prevented 80,000 hospitalizations and 1,300 deaths each year, making a compelling case for continued rotaviral vaccination in developing countries.

In an accompanying editorial, Dr. Harry Greenberg of Stanford University concludes that the benefits of rotaviral vaccination in developing countries far outweighs the risk of intussusception, and that ongoing efforts to vaccinate these children should continue. This conclusion is in keeping with current recommendations of the World Health Organization (WHO). This study may bolster the efforts of the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunizations (GAVI), who received US$4.3 billion in donor pledges earlier this week to order to scale-up immunization programs between 2011 and 2015.

“Just like anything else in life, vaccines come with risks and benefits,” says infectious disease specialist and NEJM deputy editor Dr. Lindsey Baden, “This report provides a better estimate of intussusception risk, and helps us understand this risk in the context of the clear benefits that this vaccine provides to children in the developing world.”



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Re: Controversia-Vacunas

el Lun Ago 01, 2011 3:25 am
Estos son los siguientes aditivos que se encuentran en las vacunas y la causa de la controversia acerca de las vacunas. Los aditivos se le han encontrado a niveles considerados toxicos por si solos y estos niveles se encuentran en las vacunas. Esto a causado que algunas empresas farmaceutica vendan vacunas consideradas "naturales" a costos elevados.

Aluminio, Formaldehido, "buffer" de fosfato, Formalin 37%, Proteina de levadura, Proteina de soya, Proteina bovina y la mas controversial es el Timerosal(mercurio).


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Re: Controversia-Vacunas

el Miér Ago 03, 2011 8:53 pm
De hecho esta paranoia por el contenido de estos aditivos en las vacunas ha sido un nicho importante en los tratamientos de medicina alternativa... entre ellos está la relación entre el Mineral Miracle Solution (MMS), que es un compuesto de dióxido de cloro, y la cura del autismo... aunque no hay estudios clínicos que amparen esto... pero está bastante interesante...

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Re: Controversia-Vacunas

el Mar Oct 30, 2012 11:28 pm
y todo se reduce a esto



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Re: Controversia-Vacunas

el Miér Nov 07, 2012 11:44 am
mdhecviz escribió:y todo se reduce a esto



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